Hello class:
We had a great session today and as a follow-up, I would like you to respond to the following:
Since illegal imigrants do drain our society, we should:
1. Locate and send them back immediately
2. Take away all of their possessions "earned" in the US because they were illegal
3. Repatriate illegals and only allow them to re-apply for residency if they have children or parents here.
Please phrase your response from an educated perspective rather than from an emotional perspective. Frame your answer based on the format we used in class today,
Thank you
Dr. Kalam
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From an honest perspective, while we do (meaning the U.S. government),certainly have the right to deport foreigners residing in the country illegally, either entering without permission or overstaying their visas, as prevoiusly mentioned in class, I think such initiative is either practical or ethical.I personally think locating and deporting illegal immigrants is a violation of the human right, hey I could be wrong,just voicing my opinion.
ReplyDeleteLocating and sending back immigrants is very cost efficient.We can't afford it, we're already in the sink hole as it is.Locating and sending them back, all reqiure resources.
Either way, whether we keep them here, locate them, send them back, it's going to cost us, but definetely locating them and sending them back is going to take a toll on our pocket. WE have already signaled that there is more than enough room here for illegal immigrants.
This is reresponding to question #1 " Should we locate illegal immigrants and send them back immediately"
Responding to quetion #2
ReplyDeleteTaking away all their possessions earned in the US, morally it's not the right thing to do, but then again perhaps it would deter illegal immigrants from wanting to settle within the US.
Then again, we must remember these people pay taxes too,and they come here to work, for the vast majority and not to avail themselves to the rapid shrinking safety net of our social services.These people are entering the country to escape poverty so therefore we should recognize the moral and legal responsibility to provide refuge , only to those fleeing repression and wars.
Locating all the illegals in this country will be a logistical nightmare not whithstanding the ire of the tax paying citizens who will view this process as infringment of their civil rights. This process for its accomplishment and success will require all- everyone living in this country- to be subjected to identification verification. Martial Law anyone? Human beings are resilient, this process will create a new wave of crafty counterfeiters and push millions underground.
ReplyDeleteThe cost associated with the repatriation of these illegals will be ridiculously high. An amnesty- with no strings attached- will and should bring all the illegals out of the work and we would add new payers onto the tax roll and adjust our infrastructure accordingly.
Rudy:
ReplyDeleteHow about the earnings and property, and the re-patriation. What do YOU think about that?
Answer to questions:
ReplyDelete1. Yes it is a good idea to sent back illegal immigrants, but before doing that we need to secure our borders, being land/sea/air. Yeah it is a good practice to deport, but the main issue of having illegal immigrants is the entry into the country. We are going to being in circle with this issue for fever, because we have to remember that like every thing in here it is a business, and money is always behind every solution that in fixing the problem, and other hand in keeping the problem alive. Believe it our not having immigrants problems keep alot of attorneys making money, politicians with an issue to pitch to the public, and immigrants paying to be brought here, paying to try to become legal if they are caught or if they decide to become to our society. I just feel that our issue about illegal immigration is about money and everyone that responsible has their hand in kettle, or do we want to believe that we really don't know what to do?
2. Before we even take the possesions of the illegal immigrants we need to know where these individuals are. We have illegal immigrants here in the USA that are terrorist and we dont know who they are, and where they are at. As far as taking their possesions I don't think it is going to be benifit to correcting the issue, must illegal immigrants that are here basically here for the money not for material things. If we where to that the possesions from these individuals what are we going to do with these things? Are we ready to create a new stroage business where we are going to pay thousand or millions for these items, and then either sale it for nothing or just give it away.
3. Repatriating illegals is a very good idea when they are caught. I feel that once an individual is caught here illegals they should be given another chance to return to the USA even if they reapply for residency if are by themselves. On the other hand when we have individuals that have created families, husbands, wife, children, and have been part of our society for years they should be given the chance to correct their immigrations issue. Because we should support keeping families together, our are just going to be morally incorrect just because they are dont have a green card. What we need to focus on is making sure that is no entery of individuals that can because static of illegals in the states with american family.
Response to Rudy:
ReplyDeleteI agree with you it will be a nightmare, that we the taxpayers are going to be paying the bills for the governments mistakes, because there will be mistakes done in sence that they will be after not just the illegals but everyone the fits the discribtion of an that illegal immigrate, because we live in society that is based on race. I am US Citizen fifth generation of immigrants born and raised here in the USA and I go through just be because of my name, and it doesn't matter to some times that you spoke english.
Rssponse to Farah:
ReplyDeleteI agree that should deport foreigns living in the states illegal, and over staying their visas. The biggest problem is that we know that people have over standed their visas and nothing is done for years, if not at all, and they we get into the issue of illegals that have formed american families with children that in cases only have this individual with no legal status here.
Take away all their possesions...flashback- Hitler's dealing with the Jews...
ReplyDeleteI hope we would never have to stoop that low in dealing with these immigrants... We are talking about people who somehow contribute to our society as a whole. These people earn their income sometimes in the harshest conditions. Most of them keep a low profile; they work hard and send money to their family in their native country. I say let's confiscate the drug dealers'money, the gangsters's and gang members, the rapists and child molesters and subject them to summary deportation. If we must deport the illegals who have managed under the radar to earn a living, send them back with dignity and let them keep what they have earned... ICE(Immigration and Cutom Enforcement) is government entity that is cold and heartless...Being separated from your loved ones is harsh enough. We must remember that we are a nation of immigrants and while we frown at the so call illegals, most of us know of a friend of a friend, a family who have reached U.S. soil in a non-conventional manner and who are now doing "pretty good"- should we confiscate their assets?....
Response to Carlos....
ReplyDeleteI think we should come up with a new electronic visa system that will not only alert the authorities of the overstayer but also help locate him or her. Just like the one-way pagers they give you at the restaurants- each visitor entering the U.S. will receive one. The device will be tamperproof and small enough to fit in your poket - the kicker- the visitor will pay a nominal fee upon receipt of said device.
This way we will not only generate income but we will know where to find our visitors at all times.
I could hear the liberal screaming invasion of privacy- - guess what- dont come to the U.S. if you dont want us to know where you are...
Hi Rudy I quess we are the only ones here now.
ReplyDeleteIt is sad to say but there are still people in our world today with the same way of thinking as nazi, and another said thought is history slways repeats itself, I just hope that we are not creating history the world will not forget.
Rudy better yet, we should lojack them all, because papers with chips will only work if they have them on their body, I think and nice bracelet would be better more human, because I was thinking about a chip under the person skin before. I like the idea of electronic devices when people have visas/immigrants, but only under the person become a legal or returns to their county and only to know whene this persons is and after status is established then removing it. It does sound crazy I do admit be what else can be done to know whene they are.
ReplyDeleteRepatriate all illegals and only allow them to re-apply for residency if they have children or parents here.
ReplyDeleteAgain we are faced with the logistical nightmare that is to locate all the illegals. This process of letting the illegals re-apply for residency is already in place- it is the locating part that is hard to achieve. The U.S. is very selective in issuing visas to visitors. Anyone from a coutry without the visa waiver program will tell you about the long lines, the applications fees and the sometimes grueling interview process they have to go through in order to obtain a visa. They can also tell you that there is no logical explanation for the denial of a visa.
Let say we caught up with a large number of illegals, is it going to be cost effective to process them, pay their travel expenses only to have them come back in waves.
This one of the reason why I would advocate for a general amnesty program that would benefit all law abiding illegals -if there is such a thing- as opposed to criminal illegals. The criminals would be summarily deported. Once everyone is accounted for, we will focus in reinforcing our borders and various point of entry. We will train and provide our agents with the necessary tools to keeep our ports and borders free from intruders.
1. Locate and send them back immediately:
ReplyDeleteI agree with most people that this sounds like a good idea. There are definitely illegal immigrants that should be located and deported back to their home country. This group, in my opinion, is made up of people who have been introduced to our criminal justice system for crimes against people and property. Besides this group would be easy to find in most cases because they are already behind bars and just need to be deported. If it's not already in process, this group should be on the fast track out of here along with those who have been using our "safety net" programs like Social Security or Medicare/Medicaid without contributing to the system.
The remaining group who are working in jobs that Americans won't do and that have been paying taxes (even with counterfeit identities). I make this exception for this group because they at least are trying to follow our rules (obviously, besides the illegal entry and employment) they are working hard and attempting to live out the "American Dream" of rising above their station in life. This is ideal or standard that all U.S. citizens hold for themselves and I am willing to welcome someone into my neighborhood that is trying to do the same. We can't afford to find all 12 million of these people and ship them back to where they came from. Let us be smart and work with the ones who have ideals like us and send the rest back.
2. Take away all of their possessions "earned" in the US because they were illegal.
ReplyDeleteI do not know if I could on an ethical basis I would be willing to withhold or deny someone something they have worked hard for even if they did it as illegal immigrants. I think if the person was arrested for a crime and that crime or criminal behavior was how that person was making a living then they do not deserve to get or keep anything. If someone has been working in the fields gathering the food we eat or doing a type of job that Americans will not do then no I do not know if that would be right. Sending them back to their country, if that is the punishment, along with a fine or some other monetary penalty would suffice.
3. Repatriate illegals and only allow them to re-apply for residency if they have children or parents here.
ReplyDeleteFor those who must get deported we must keep track of whether they are criminals. As I have indicated in other responses, I am not really concerned with the fact that these people entered illegally as long as while they were here they where contributing, hard working members of society. Now with that said if they have children or parents here that should not be the only way for them to gain residency but those factors could possibly make them a priority. However the sad truth is that we can not really afford to have people sent back to their countries only to apply, get denied and then sneak back in. This would just make the problem even worse and cost more money than it would be worth. For those here we set-up guidelines and try to work with them while here and then, if necessary, send them back
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ReplyDelete1. Taking in consideration there are about 20 million illegal immigrants in the U.S., it would be a frustrating task for the Federal Government. First of all, they don’t have the man power to deport 20 million people. An operation this big will be very costly and like RudyJL said it will be a logistical nightmare. Yes, we all worry that terrorist crossing our borders and execute future attacks…but do we all forget that the 9/11 attack was done by immigrants who entered legally in the U.S. and the US Immigrations extended their visas after their attack? I agreed in the deporting all illegal aliens that have a criminal record not matter how petty the crime was. However, I take in consideration that illegal aliens are important to our economy especially for does industries that nobody wants to work, such as agriculture. The US was formed by immigrants to later become the most powerful nation. Although, excessive immigration should be controlled at all cost. We should still have other options for immigrants to enter the US.
ReplyDelete2. Taking all the belongings just because they are illegal aliens….that sounds like a communism to me. However, I believe when illegal alien is being deported he/she should be responsible for paying any outstanding debt or fine that it’s owed. Even though if that means to take away all personal assets.
3. I disagreed that the US government should take into consideration parents of US Citizens in order to approve residency.
Response to Rudy...
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that with this immigration situation most things are a logistical nightmare. We are already seeing this all over the country. The U.S./Mexico border area is such an issue for us that we have had to resort to building huge walls, fences, virtual fences with sensors of all kinds, etc. The government is desperately trying to hire Border Patrol agents and even allowed that Minuteman program where armed civilians were allowed to be carrying firearms patrolling our border without adequate supervision, etc. Now National Guardsmen and women are being deployed in several states to assist the border patrols and states that are severely affected by this.
We seem to spend lots of money on keeping people from crossing but it never really seems to keep anyone from coming illegally.
1. Locate and send them back immidiately.
ReplyDeleteTo locate and repatriate the illegal immigrants will be a one dimentional solutional to a complex problem. Repatriating the illegals will be part of the process but not a complete solution. The benefit of doing this is it will send the word out in the illegal immigrant community that the government is doing something about the situation and we are not sitting on our hands. This action should be especially geared toward violent criminals amoung the illegal immigrant community. To those that oppose repatriating illegal immigrants I pose this question to you. What about those law obiding immigrants that waited 10 may 15 years in order to receive a visa? Deterrence is important in the overall scheme of protecting our borders.
Flavio:
ReplyDeleteWhy do you dissaprove of parents being a source of sponsorship?
Dr. Kalam
In response to Flavio; Question 2:
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with your statement. People should not have their belongings removed on a whim even if they entered illegally. It is probably reasons like that why these people leave their countries only to be treated the same way here. Now if they owe, then they owe and should not be allowed to skip their debts and stuff because they are being deported. If that means you have to give up what you have then so be it.
It is funny because in my limited contact with illegal immigrants in the past, many of them don't have any debt. They work hard but only buy the bare minimum for themselves to survive. They do not really buy many extras and just try to save as much as they can to send to their families back home.
Which brings another question...do we tax what they send home? If not, why not?
Luis:
ReplyDeletegood points here. Oftentimes, evern the best laid plans are difficult to implement. We often think that the labor pool is rich with many looking....but then comes the qualifying requirements and other recruitment nightmares,
Dr. K
responding to #3 ,Louis,Rudy and Carlos
ReplyDeleteRepartriating illegal immigrants sounds good, but at the same time it's costly to us.
If we legallize illegal immigrants just because they have US born children, such may encourage illegal immigrants to remain in the country and continue to attempt to come here in hope of qualifying for future amnesty.
Illegal immigrants respond to changing incentives and many would return home if they felt enforcement was a real possibility.
By legalizing them because they have children that were born here would only increase the immigrant population,because it would grow,and it would be obvious we're not eager to put a stop to the illegal influx.
If the government fails to legalize illegal immigrants, the illegal population will began to fall (decrease),and to be honest with you I think the desire for foreigners to immigrate here is so strong that enforcement and no matter what measures we take could not and will not deter illegal immigrants from entering here.
Great question, Luis. What do you think? Taxing should occur once and if there is a special tax assessed on certain goods going abroad, then that is good. I am sure there is something in place now.
ReplyDeleteDr. K
Hey Rudi:
ReplyDeleteYou say "We will train and provide our agents with the necessary tools to keeep our ports and borders free from intruders". This is very often the goal...but really hard to implement with any real measure of success.
Dr. K
Hey Farah:
ReplyDeleteYes, we do have a moral standing in the world that we should treasure. People who escape bad to come for good here in the US should have some solice in the "system"....but it should be done following a legal immigration policy. The drain on our system may come primarily from not being able to plan for the Unknown and undocumented.
Dr. K
Farah:
ReplyDeleteIt is tough to stop someone comming and staying beyond their visa. As globalization continues to become a major influence, we may find other cultural nuances come to fruit that may have been impossible 20 years ago...
Dr. K
2. Take away all of their possessions "earned" in the US because they were illegal.
ReplyDeleteThis action is not necessary. It is a cruel gesture to someone that has contributed to our society even though they have entered it in an illegal method. The illegal immigrants should be allowed to keep their possessions and the items that they can not keep will be sold. Perhaps an electronic device can be used to track the illegals while they liquidate their possessions during a three day period. Criminals that happen to be illegal immigrants should be put to endure the punishment presented in this question; to confiscate all possessions.
The illegals can always take their US born children with them, if they wish and if not the children may reside with families, friends or beccome an orphan, but when the child becomes an orphan, that also takes a toll on taxpayers pocket, but if they choose to take the children with them, they're not hurting that child in any way because the children can always go and come as they wish, if the parents have the means to provide a plane ticket. "The children are US born Americans".
ReplyDelete1) I do not think that is realistic to locate and send back all illegal immigrants. In my opinion, we do not have the time and money to go everywhere looking for people that have been living in this country for quite some time. A great number of those people came here looking for a better life for their families. Many of them have American children and grandchildren that will be affected by any measurement taken upon a member of the family that might be the provider for the entire family. So, we are also dealing here with a social and moral issue. Therefore, I think that we have to put our money and efforts to look for and bring to justice those illegal immigrants that broke our laws and are at large.
ReplyDelete2) Taking away their possession? No, I don’t think that we live in this kind of society. Otherwise, it would be hypocritical. We were always against authoritarian regimens, Cuba - as an example, that once in power took people’s property based on their social and political beliefs. Today, the state takes property from illegal immigrants, tomorrow it might take ours. We need to think about that. I am not a lawyer to know in what circumstances and how would be the procedure to take away someone’s property but I’m sure that in order to do that you have to have specific laws allowing the state to do that.
3) I think this is cruel. Right now, it takes, at least six years to get a residency based on being sponsored by a parent or a child. What are we going to do with all children left behind while their parents are abroad re-applying for residency? I think that we have to find a more comprehensive solution to this illegal immigration problem.
In all, I believe that we always must have in mind people’s civil rights. Once, we take measurements that infringe any human’s group rights we might as well be opening the door to the infringement of all citizen’s rights.
ALDO...
ReplyDeleteYou bring up a valid point regarding those who do follow the rules vs. those that enter illegally. There should be a special consideration for that as well. What that would be I am not sure but overall what I am saying is that we should tighten our borders as much as we can to keep them from entering illegally. Since that is not feasible, at least for the immediate future, we have to give somewhere, right? Why not work with those here, who have been law abiding citizens, besides entering illegally, a way to stay legally and continue working. The beauty is that we don't even have to offer them citizenship. Just a work visa of some kind with a finite length of stay. Make the renewal process easy for people who do what they are supposed to like pay taxes which some of our own don't do. I believe that this would require the government's different parts to work more efficiently together which is not something government is very good at.
3. Repatriate illegals and only allow them to re-apply for residency if they have children or parents here.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that an illegal immigrant has a family in the U.S. helps absorb the impact that immigration has on the employment market. The more family they have the more chance they should have in entering the country legaly. Once this is done it will instill some confidence legal process of gaining entry into the country. The fact that they entered illegally should also be taken into consideration. Repatriating could be a step that can be avoided if the immigrant shows an earning potential.
Dr. Kalam
ReplyDeleteThe way I understood the question was if we should allow illegal aliens apply for residency if they have underage children that are US Citizen, an my answer is no. If the US citizen child is capable to sponsor their parents when applying to residency, absolutely, we should allow that. But not because an illegal alien parent have a child that is a US citizen should be grounds for approval. Also, I agreed with the current policy that allows parents or adult children to sponsor their children/parents for residency applications. Only if they have the economical grounds to do so.
This is a situation here, we will never,..ever be able to resolve, reading all the comments posted on this blog has really brought to my attention that illegal immigrants are a major concern, and looking at it from all views I really don't know where to turn anymore. I think I'm cornered guys (classmates), help me find my way out. These are very tough pronouncements, I see why congress can't never come to an agreement
ReplyDeleteLuis
ReplyDeleteYes, it is a very complex situation. I agree that repatriation is not the sole method in dealing with illegal immigrants. Your suggestion deserves merit, but it also bring up other questions such as How are we going to determine who stay and who goes? Once the word gets out that we are tighining our borders an increase in the influx of illigals is very possible. We do not have hard numbers on the amount of illegals that we have in the country. Therefore we must choose between two groups to offer that work visa that you suggested: Visa violators or Border crosers with no papers. Visa violators should be able to stay since we have paperwork on them. The other we do not know of their activities if not we would have track them down to repatriate them.
Farah...
ReplyDeleteYou make an excellent point. These children can just as easily go back with their parents and come back when they get older or stay with legal relatives as well. As you said, they are citizens, right?
Just because the parents have to go home does not mean that the children must become orphaned. They are citizens but they can just as easily go back to their parent's home country which more often than not the children identify with in some way as well. They usually get dual citizenship anyway.
response to Luis:
ReplyDeleteYes I agree with you send them back as fast, but we need to know where they are before we send them back. Even though we have border patrol, and walls, security etc as we can see it is not working. The main issue I feel is knowing how they enter the country and how to keep track of them when they are here. This is issue is more about economics than immigration. If we continue with the problem because everyone the being our government and god knows who is making money from this issue. This problem will not be going away any time soon because of the money
Good Day, Question 1
ReplyDeleteWell let’s see, if we locate and send them back to their native land what would it prove?
Most of the illegal immigrants are hard workers, they take on and do the odd jobs that most Americans frown upon, and it’s true that most come here for a better life and not to raid the government of its funds and medical care.
One would say that the government itself has a hatred toward any that’s foreign unless you are coming here with your own wealth from the beginning.
To sought out and send them back to their native, would send us as Americans at a lost; it cost just a much to utilize man power and financial resources and it would to allow them to work here with their family, pay taxes and have pride in taking part in our America.
I say if they are sought out lets help them to be legalized since they are paying taxes just as we are, lets not make it that much more harder for persons to live.
Although, I don’t condone being here illegal; lobbying to change the law with specifics would be more beneficial. By legalizing the immigrants that are already in the U.S. that’s getting paid under the table would allow the Federal Government to collect revenue from them to help finance the social programs that they already take part in regardless whether they are legal or not.
response to Farah:
ReplyDeleteYes it complicated issue, and government has tough decisions to make when it comes to immigration. But like with every thing in live people have to have an open mind. Another thing that we have to remember is that our country is made of immigrates since the beginning.
Question 1. Locate and sent them back immediately.
ReplyDeleteI believe it's insane to even think of that; just image once the word get out and we all know how news travel. It will be cost effective and big disaster; within our schools, homes and workplace (the country). We have enough problem trying to locate legal/natural born citizen that's here already.
Now if post a bulletin "If you are an illegal immigrant and would like to live in this country legally contact or come to the Immigration Office; for processing."
Question 2. Take away all of their possessions "earned" in the US because they were Illegal.
Do not take away all their possessions "earning;" limit them to living expense only; but once the process transition is completed and they are legal then release their possessions to them. Providing they have no criminals history within the last 3 years.
Question 3. Repatriate illegals and only allow them to re-apply for residency if they have children or parents here.
We have to be fair not single out people who have families; everyone have the right to freedom and opportunities. Therefore, we shouldn't give certain people the chance to re-applying but open this up for everyone. Once again providing they have no criminal history within the last 3 years.
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ReplyDeleteI don't know, I'm bothered with #3, but given it some more thought, if we legalize immigrants with US born children,yet these are the same illegal immigrants who's been working under the table, paying no taxes and are not on the book, so once they become legal, they will began to work and no longer under the table and they are now paying direct taxes, so therefore tax payments will rise.
ReplyDelete#3 is a hard and tough decision to make.
Entering the country illegal is breaking the law, and breaking the law is a crime, so these people are inadmissible to to the US on criminal grounds and that should leave them without lawful immigration status and therefore present them here in violation of the law, and they should and be required to depart here and return home or elsewhere , and remianing here without authorization should result them in the initiation of removal proceedings,( again which will cost us) and that shoul affect their ability to return here.
Barone,
ReplyDeleteIt is evident that the nation is facing some financial difficulties. What are we going to do with the extra bodies that are present in our country without a job? They will eventually become a burden because jobs are scarce. The repatriation of illegal immigrants create jobs for American citizens. Completely abandoning repatriation will give the impression that their is no law enforcement in immigration law.
Luis
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with you when you "There are definitely illegal immigrants that should be deported back to their home country.
Response to all,
ReplyDeleteYes, I agreed that we should look for potential for any immigrant that comes to the U.S., especially when we have a large amount of illegal immigrants with limited education. We should encourage education for illegal immigrants and require degrees for those who are applying, especially in the field that it most needed, such as nursing. Usually, people with degree have better chances to earn better salaries, and that means more taxes and more expenditure power which will help in our current economy.
Dr. K,
ReplyDeleteI just looked on the Western Union website, for reference, and it doesn't seem that the government charges taxes on this money. That would be just one more way to collect on the money earned here that gets sent to other countries.
Are we sponsoring dysfunctional families and creaing delinquents? Separating children from their parents is the most absurd idea I have ever heard. The rate of juvenile delinquency is steadily rising. It is a disservice to place these children into a decrepit and inept welfare system that only populates our prisons. We need to review and improve the family reunification program already in place. Children need their parents even if they are illegal.
ReplyDeleteDr. Kalam, what do you think, we'd like to hear from you?
ReplyDeleteLuis, Teresa and Rudy
ReplyDeleteYou all made my eyes open with your responses; there are people who still have morals and a heart. It is unfair and to withhold or working hard for them;I hope we never have to stoop to that level and yes I believe it is hypocritical for this country.
To everyone the posting are great and I can't wait for the next set of questions and your responses.
ReplyDeleteRudy, I agree with you, that seperating children from their parents is an absurd idea, but we are not seperating them, the children are US born americans, their parents have the choice whether to take them with them or not.
ReplyDeleteUnderlying our generous refuge policy is an array of pschic motives, affirmations, expressions of national generosity, votes of confidence in change and growth and acclamations of freedom.
This blog is over for me. Catch you next week
ReplyDeleteI think illegal immigrants are so attached to their new life in the US, no matter how much enforcement you excert( excercise) would make a large share of them return back to their countries.
ReplyDeleteCarlos,
ReplyDeleteYou are right when you say that it evolves around the money. That is one of this country's biggest issues and who is benefiting are the banks and financial companies that charge fees, etc. for sending money and stuff. We are always looking for sources of revenue and people sending money back to their home countries doesn't seem to get taxed so why not hit people with a tax on money sent home. We can collect taxes on this money, they send more than $1 billion out of this country, and put it back into the the pool.
That would raise money for us and possibly pay for other
I meant to end that last part with "other programs".
ReplyDeleteHave a good one everyone. I gotta run! See ya Friday.
I do not think it is a good idea for the government to sent all illegal imigrants back to their country. The cost to the U.S. is too great. This country is make up of imigrants. What about their human right, all of these illegal imigrants is not criminals. Most just want to have the same America dream as we all have. When it come to the government, it is all about "Money". I think this will become an America nightmare, most of the illegal imigrants are hard word people who are try to do the right thing. Every illegal imigrants is not here to commit an attack againt U.S. Yes,deport the illegal who have a criminal record, but not all of them.
ReplyDeleteQuestion 2,
If the government was to take away illegal immigrants possession "earned" , this would be a nightmare that would destroy this country. All this will do is make it harder to find illegel imigrants because they will be working for food and shelter one day at time and government will close their eyes to it.
#3
I think it should be any family member, not just parents and children.
Although illegal immigrants drain our economy, locate and deporte illegal immigrants would in fact cost us more in social program services for single parents for many immigrant do have children in this contry. Eventhouth they are living here illegally, they play major role in raising their children. Deportation whould hurt their families as well as our ecomony.I would rather see those that have been productive and educated be granted assylum for a fee of $6000. They would have a condition to pay the fee as they work and stay trouble free.
ReplyDeleteIn response to question #1 I think that they should be located and sent back. When illegal immigrants are arrested, they should be booked and sent back to the country of origin. It is sad that WE have to pay for their mistakes and they are getting better healthcare than some of the average citizens that can't simply afford it.
ReplyDeleteIt would not be cheap but I think the long run would be beneficial.
I just stumble into an article from The American Police Beat, January 2009 issue, title: “ICE Cries Poverty”. The article stated: “Federal immigration officials let thousand of inmates in the nation’s third most populous county walk out of jail despite the suspects admitting they were in the US illegally, the Houston Chronicle investigation discovered.” “The Houston Chronicle found that most illegal immigrants released from jail were accused of minor crimes. But others included convicted child molesters, rapist, and those ordered deported decades ago.” ICE Field Office Director Kenneth Langrabe responded: “No agency has enough law enforcement officers to do the job the way they’d like”
ReplyDeleteMy fellow classmates, it is all about money..…and right now, the way that the economy is, get use to seeing more and more illegal immigrants.
Teresa, great job, I feel you 100% on what you have to say on all 3 questions. I too believe that we must keep in mind the Human rights and civil rights of all people regard of their status.
ReplyDeleteIn regards to question #2. I think even if the goverment wanted to take away their possesions it would be difficult. Whether they work in construction or landscape- if their money and possessions were taken away they would resort to selling drugs-(just my opinion)! So which is worse?'
ReplyDeleteDr. kalam unless illegal immigrants earned their assets in a shady way (illegal activities), it would unethical to seize or forfeit their assets.In case of repatriation, their belongins should be given to next of kin.
ReplyDeleteLesly, good point, but $6000.00 is a little to high of a price to pay for assylum.
ReplyDeleteQuestion #2
ReplyDeleteWhy would America or its government take away their possession especially if they earn it in a legal fashion, i.e. worked even if the work was under the table; employers are to be held responsible as well for their hiring.
Let’s face it some employers hire illegal’s because it’s beneficial and cost effective to them, the government knows exactly what’s going on in the underground secret society of illegal immigrants working, but they also know that it cost much more than the manpower they have.
Illegal immigrants are not taking the jobs away from Americans wanting to work; they are taking the jobs that Americans refuse to do because some feel it’s a mediocre type of work.
Americans, we are a country that welcomes people from all walks of land with all types of social, economic,and religious backgrounds.
The foundation in which we stand; this country was built by immigrants and not; illegal and not, we must lead by example when we act in such a manner it shows that this great country in which we live is no better than Germany in the late 1930’s. America and Americans are not that barbaric.
Lisa, You are so on the money with question #3 re-applying for residency should be open to all illegal imigrants unless they have a criminal history....
ReplyDeleteRachel:
ReplyDeleteYou cannot place a price tag on such an enormous undertaking. One cannot even fathom what it will take to corral millions of illegal immigrants and repatriate them....We are dealing with human beings and I used the word corral to point out the fact that we are affecting a complex group of resilient people that will go the extreme for their survival. what happened to :"One nation under God, indivisible with Liberty and Justice for all".
Rachel your idea sounds great only if the immigrants in question didn't have children. We can all agree illegal immingrant is complex issue. What would happend to their depedent children?
ReplyDelete1. Yes I believe we should send back illegal immigrants. Yet, before we can make this happen we need to make sure that our borders are secure and that no illegal immigrants are being let in. These immigrants sually turn into criminals. This may be an annoying task for the government though. There has to be nearly 20 million immigrants in the U.S.
ReplyDelete2. Taking away their possesions earned while they were illegal is a good idea. Yet, if we can't find these illegal immigrants then how can we take away their earnings? Some of these immigrants are terriost, and to protect the USA we have to find them and then yes we can take all of their earnings away and then deport them.
3. Repatriating illegals is actually a good idea. As Carlos said, we have people creating families and they should be able to redeem their residency. America is all about being one nation, so we should support keeping families together. Immigrants or not. We should also base our decision on whether or not we repatriate them or not on their crime status.
Baronu, great comment, you got my vote.
ReplyDeletegood bye class, it's been a pleasure dialogging with you all. Very interseting views. See you guys next class, until then have a wonderful safe week.
ReplyDeleteSo Rudy, what do you suggest we do with those illegal immigrants that make their way into the criminal justice system??? should they serve their time and be let free or sent back to their country of origin?
ReplyDelete1. Locate and send them back immediately.
ReplyDeleteWe need to be just about how are we going to implement this. in one hand we have a group of people that want to give the opurtunity to those immigrnats that are working, and in some ways contributing to society, allowing them to obtain a legal immigration status. That group needs to be identified and procesed, perhaps issue reasonable fines in orde to weed out peolpe not serious about it. The other group is a group compossed of the criminal element, for example: Domestic violence, rape, child abuse/endangerment, drugs, gangs, crimes that will endanger society's values, and standards. Those people should not even be put in jail and then deported. Rehabilitation might come to mind by how can we gurante they want to be rehabilitated, add to that the money factor neded to acomplish the rehabilitation.
Illegal immigrants trying to better themselves and their families need the oppurtunity. criminals that are illegal immigrants need to be sent back no questions asked.
Question #3
ReplyDeleteIn as much, I agree with a few we must take into consideration the impact that it would cost us; illegal immigrants do help absorb the economic situation to a point, but it no way should a family be separated via repatriation because the parent or guardian is illegal.
There are stipulations and situations that should be examine carefully when immigration considers to repatriate a family or it’s members.
The immigrants (illegal) that are here and birth a child that’s a US citizen should be allowed to stay and continue to work, provide for his/her family, pay taxes while applying and or going through the process of trying to become a legal citizen without the fear of being processed for repatriation.
Lesly- in regards to those immigrants that have children; i think it is important that their family not get separated. But, for those immigrants that DO have a family and for those members that have been arrested, they need to go- no ifs ands or buts about it! You wonder why the Public Defenders office is not able to take on the case load and defend every case for those that cannot afford an attorney??? They are on overload- I wish i could find an exact number on the amount of illegal immigrants that take up space in our jails.
ReplyDeleteIn regards to #3. I agree with Barony- If an illegal immigrant has children in this country, they should be given the right to stay as long as they continue to be on good terms with the laws of our country. Once they break the law and get arrested, off you go!
ReplyDeleteFlavio said "The way I understood the question was if we should allow illegal aliens apply for residency if they have underage children that are US Citizen, an my answer is no"
ReplyDeleteI would have to disagree with you on this. I do believe having minor children should be ground for consideration in obtaining assylum.First, children with a single parent are more likely to become delinquent.Second, children with parent are the primary beneficiary of our social service system.We would benefit in the long run if we allow those aliens with children to stay legally. We would then tighting our borders as previous mentioned to prevent others from entering illegally
2. Take away all of their possessions "earned" in the US because they were illegal.
ReplyDeleteLike my previous answer if they are trying to better themselves, and are not invloved in anymore criminal activity(based on the fact that if they entered the country illegaly they are comiting a crime)and they have an employment record demonstrating consistency without problems with the law.They should be able to keep their possesions with one condition.
Taxes were paid when the purchased was made but was the money to pay for the posessions taxed? it might be hard to prove it but to solve that a fine should be issued so the government doesn't lose out.
To bevgoodman59,
ReplyDeleteWords are powerful and we are responsible for them. In your answer to question # 1, you are making an affirmative and not expressing your opinion when you state, “these illegal immigrants usually turn into criminal”. What makes you think that? Where have you learned or read this information?
Also, it would be nice to know your name.
I do not believe that we should send all the illegal aliens back to their countries. Furthermore, I truly believe that we need to legalize all of them that are currently living here. As a result, we would need to set up a date which would be the cut-off date; anyone moving to the U.S. after this date would have to be sent back if their immigration status would be illegal. In addition, I would never take away any possession that an illegal immigrant earned or purchased in the U.S. In conclusion, I believe that those parents that have children that are born in the U.S. should be allowed to obtain their residency in our country. Every other illegal immigrant that did not qualify for the amnesty would have to be sent back to their country.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Barony with respect to allowing illegal immigrants, who have children that are born in the U.S., to stay in our country by making them residents. As long as these people contribute to our society in a positive way, then they most definitely have to be allowed to stay because their children are Americans.
ReplyDeleteWith respect to Rudy's comment, I agree with him with respect to the fact that I also believe in an amnesty, with no strings attached, to all those illegal immigrants living in the U.S. The fact that some illegal immigrants drain our society (for example with health care/hospital expenses)is another reason for making them legal so that they can pay taxes and obtain other rights like driving licenses, car insurance, etc.
ReplyDeleteRachel you are absulutely right. we are all aware what a burden it is to deal with legal criminals not to mention those that are illegal. In that case, I am not only for deportation, I would love to see the goverment banned these indiviaduals from ever setting foot on us soil.
ReplyDelete3. Repatriate illegals and only allow them to re-apply for residency if they have children or parents here.
ReplyDeleteI must continue with my idea. If they have families, and they are criminals they need to go, if a father choses to break the laws to provide for a family he is not really looking out for the family he is doing it because it's easy and the greed is bigger than the well being of the family.
If the are working and not comiting more crimes, what i proposed for the first answer will give them the oppurtunity to saty here with their families and recieve a legal status and continue with a somewhat normal life.
I believe by using fines and allowing them to legalized their status you will weed out some characters that are in the brink of going into the criminal side. The legalization should not be a one process deal it should have some rfestrictions, for example if within one year from legalizaton they commit a severe crime everithing is gone even themselves.
With respect to Lesly, I agree with him with respect to allowing those illegal residents to become legal residents. The fee is debatable. Also, by converting all the illegals into legal status we are also ending the exploitation that they have to go through (like earning less than the minimum salary and not having any benefits).
ReplyDeletei wish it was so easy to send them back- but for some reason they always find a way to sneak back in!
ReplyDeleteI agree with Rachel and Lesly with respect to sending those illegal immigrants, that are criminals, back to their country. Our criminal system is loaded to full capacity and does not need any more criminal contributions.
ReplyDeleteWith respect to Rachel, I also know that many of those illegal aliens that are sent back to their country, return soon after. This is why we need to legalize the status of all those in our country that are not involved in criminal enterprises. Afterwards, we need to tighten and protect our borders so that no individual comes into our country if they do not have the required permission to do so.
ReplyDeleteAMEN alan!!! And WE are the ones that are paying for those SCUMBAGS!!!
ReplyDeleteAgain, I agree with Barony with respect to the fact that the U.S. is a country comprised of immigrants (with the exception of the native indians); as a result we should be flexible and give everyone a fair shot at obtaining the American Dream. On the other hand, we do have to tighten our borders and protect our country from criminals and terrorist. Also, we have to reach a point in which we decide that it is not beneficial for the country to receive more immigrants unless they can provide a need that is in demand.
ReplyDeleteI will like to play devils advocate...
ReplyDeleteWhat if a group of politicians gets together and draft up a plan to change the constitucion to where children of illegal imigrants won't be consider American Citizens. Can that be used to stop illegal imigration?
Question #1
ReplyDeleteI think we should send back illegal immigrants. It is amazing how this country seems to cater to some illegal immigrant, when the average everyday U.S citizen struggles to make it. How is it that illegal immigrants can receive health benefits such as organ transplants and other types of surgeries that the average United States citizens can’t even afford? Let’s face it not all illegal immigrants live in poverty. Some live in luxury while some U.S citizens live from pay check to pay check.
To Lisa and Alan,
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with Lisa in her answer to question #3 saying that we should not single out people who have families. In other words, I don’t think it is fair to “punish” people that don’t have children. I also agree with Alan. I think that we should solve the illegal immigrants’ status here. But first, we need to create a policy specifying the different categories and programs that will be available. The ability to apply for a resident status should be based on which category the applicant fits in.
Question #2
ReplyDeleteTake away their possessions. So what, according to the history of my people we were brought here and our masters took everything from us and also prevented us from ever trying to obtain anything, even an adequate education. Why should we give them help of feel sorry for some of them when the government makes it hard for its citizens to even receive public assistance? Now reverse the roles if we were in some of these same illegal immigrants home countries; their government wouldn’t even think twice about taking away anything from us.
Lesley,
ReplyDeleteI don't agreed with separating families so if an illegal alien is being deported, his/her children should go along with them. The US Gov had send children back to be reunited with their families, don't forget the case of Elian Gonzalez.
Ladies & Gents, goodnight
ReplyDeleteResponse to Alicia:
ReplyDeleteI agree with you this issue of immigrations is one unique to the united states, is because we take to long to act on things and other is because it has been an real issue of concern until we started to have terrorist attacks. I don't know hope immigrations is dealt with in other countries but I am guess it is better than here because we don't hear about the issue we are having any where else in the world. Could our government be keeping us in the dark about foreign issues when it comes to immigrants aboard. Who knows, I just know that we will be having illegal immigrants for fever if they don't there to do something, another thing to keep in mind is that we need to know who is in our county just knowing that we have terrorist on our shore is not enough, and departing some illegal aliens is no going to fix the problem.
To A. Baena,
ReplyDeleteI don’t think that in case children of illegal immigrants won’t be consider American citizens will stop illegal immigration. But, may be, it will reduce the influx by eliminating a way to become legal when their children reach the legal age (21) for sponsoring the parents and proving that they can support them at 125% above the mandated poverty line. The bottom line is economics. Most of immigrants come here looking for a better life, to help their families abroad, or for political reasons or many other reasons and not to have children in particular.
I believe we should located all illegal imigrants in the U.S.as soos as posible,but the government should agree to work with them in a good way.I do not like the idea to send them home since they are already here we should keep them in here what we should do is try to put more people in our borders.
ReplyDeleteIt's will not be a good feling to take away from those illegal imigrant that will be a crime for me, because those people who risk their live to come in here propably have families to take care of i mean they have families who are wathing for them back home when you take everythins from them what to you want them to do with their families. in point of view whatever an illegale imigrant earn should stay in their possession i don't think somebody should take what they have a way from them.
Everybody should have they same right it doesn't matter you have children or parents in America to reaply for residency i believe if somebody have a job pay his/her taxes and the most important thing not doing anythings illegales should have aright to reapply for residency,but if they violate the law or committed a crime the government should send them home.
I do not believe that gathering all the illegal immigrants and exporting them all is a very reasonable or realistic solution at all. To begin with it is near impossible to locate the millions of illegal immigrants we currently have in our country especially since most of these people may have their families and lives already established here. Second the amount of resources and money that would have to come out of the american tax-payers pocket would not be fair. It would not be fair to take from everyone because not all americans care or are affected by the immigration problem.
ReplyDeleteResponse to Windsor:
ReplyDeleteI agree also that more emphasis should be put on locating instead of deporting. I just wanted to add that an all out manhunt for immigrants is not the way either. If that were to occur the immigrants would hear word of this and constantly be in hiding. The hunt needs to be very tacticly controlled and the media must be controlled to prevent the word of this going on. Aswell it needs to be done with time because of the resources and money this kind of operation will require. If this is done little by little it will prevent us from taking a big hit to the pocket all of a sudden epecially considering the situation we are currently in economically.
The problem that is already in here needs to be taken care of and then strictly tighten up the borders. Also documenting the illegals into our databases so they may be held accountable for their actions since they are already living here.
And by the way I absolutely agree with Tawanna some of those illegals with criminal records do deserve to get deported back. This country is a pplace to come for advancement and opputinity if an illegal comes and is just spoiling our land they should not be here.
ReplyDeleteLuis, Farah, Flavio and all who belive
ReplyDeleteninor children shoud go with their parents.
I couldn't disagree more. For the simple fact that those chilren are americans, we would all agree that American should stay home, the land of opportunity. They shouldn't be forced to a foreign place where they wouldn't have the same opprtuny to grow and become the next Obama or George Bush for that reason. Besides, the american economy would not survive without immigants. Businesses flourish with immigrants
willingness to work for less. Illegal immigrant who commit crime should go form the next availbe flight home, but please hard working law abiding ones should get amnesty
Flavio,
ReplyDeletethe Elian Gonzales case completly differnet, that case was more political and it went beyond one gernment trying to reunite family memebers.
But if we take that case into consideration the government doesn't take into account a child's perspective, at least one that young. The way things are right now our government doesn't seem to mind about spiting families.
Is it moral? or is the government acting to protect society in general?
Rachel:
ReplyDeleteI am all for summary deportation of criminal illegal alliens. Once they enter the CJS it will be a never ending process of appeals after appeals... they will still be here at our expense long after they exhaust all legal venues...
Teresa,
ReplyDeletemaking the children not able to claim citizenship will not stop imigration at once, and I do agree with you but can you imagine the message it will send out and the reaction of the international community?
Rudy,
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, we need to reduce our prison population and the waste of resources tide up in court, lawyers and law enforcemnet. I say law enforcement because some of the criminal elements manage to get back into society to continue to comit crimes and create more trouble.
Very good Geoge we don't need anybody who want to spoil our land, people with criminal background or drugs realated should be not be tolerated this is the land of the opportunity where people can accompish their goals.
ReplyDeleteGeorge,
ReplyDeleteIt is clear that if the governmnet tries to round up all illegal aliens in the country it will be very costly and time consuming, I have to agree with you on that. In order to start sending the message across and try to diminished the flow of illegal aliens into the country, it is necessary to implement sanctions and restrictions to go beyond the individuals, the government need to satrt making employers, civilians, family members accountable, and the government also needs to bring the problem to every corner of the nation. The government spends money advertising on issues that might not have as big an impact on society instead of creating attention on the ones costing us Billions.
Response to Carlos:
ReplyDeleteI agree with you in one point which is the terrorist activities, they should be the one we have to send back or executed. they should be the one we looking for. where they are? What are they doing? and what are they next move so we shoul be more prepare. the second one i don't think it will be a good idea to send the illegal imigrantes back home because if we were doing that in the beginning i think we will not be there now.
I strongly agree with Lesly,minor children who born in the USA sould not be force to leave America with their parents, the fact that the are born in here that mean they are an American and they have all the right an American citizen have. To go farther than that i thinh their parents should stay with them because nobody will never take care of your children like their parents.
ReplyDeleteLeslyV,
ReplyDeleteI just wanted to clear up my point of view so there is no misunderstanding. I can't speak for the others but they may agree.
I don't believe that the children should be shipped off with their parents but in some cases that is a viable option for them and it should be considered. It is a free country and they should have options. They are citizens and will always be welcomed back.
I also don't believe that the social system we have in place is often the best environment for these children if they stay and have no one here. Which is why I say that sometimes it is in the best interest of the child to stay with their parents. If the government wants to maybe give some special consideration to the parents of citizens in these cases well, great!
With respect to what Windsor said reference parents of minor children born in the U.S., I agree with him because the fact that a child is born in the U.S., without doubt makes him or her an American. As a result, there is nothing positive in making an American child leave the U.S. because his or her parents are not American.
ReplyDeleteFrom my perspective I believe we should send them back because they entered this country illegally. If they would have followed the proper guidelines such as applying for a visa then they should stay. We are currently in a recession therefore they are taking a plethora of jobs. Several employers pay them very little so that stops American citizens from receiving jobs.
ReplyDeleteI don’t think the government has the right to seize their property. They have worked extremely hard for it, which means they have earned it. There possessions should remain with them if they are being sent back, however they may leave back in the U.S with family or friends.
ReplyDeleteResponding to question #2
Locating illegal immigrants and sending them back home seems like a never ending task, not only that, the amount of manpower and money needed to maintain such a policy sounds unrealistic since there are an estimated 20 million illegal immigrants in the United States. There are definitely ways to alleviate the problem. Harsher penalties for people who employ illegal immigrants will lessen the hiring of them. Not only that, the money received from those penalties can be used to pay for the repatriation process of the immigrants. I feel that illegal immigrants that come in contact with the criminal justice system should be subjected to repatriation as soon as just one offense. There should also be a policy to financially help people who ask for voluntary repatriation to their country. Ultimately, when illegal immigrants realize that they will not be able to maintain themselves as a regular resident/citizen, they might realize that it is better for them to go back home.
ReplyDeleteAs far as taking away “possessions” earned in the U.S., there aren’t many things they can posses that will be of value. They don’t have any credit; therefore, no bank will be financing anything for them. It is impossible for them to purchase property. Any item they purchase must be done with cash, and even there, the government will find out if any person is purchasing something for more than $10,000 in cash.
With regards to repatriating immigrants and then allowing them to reapply for residency if they have parents or children here, I do agree with, only if the parents or children are American citizens.
I agree they should go through the proper procedures in order to return. No child should be separated from its parents. The main reason they come here to gain their freedom. We should be honored to have people wanting to live in the U.S.
ReplyDeleteLuis, sorry, but I can not agree with you to help immigrants with false/counterfeit identities just because they are hard workers. Identity theft is one of the most serious crimes anyone can commit and in my perspective is enough grounds for immediate deportation.
ReplyDelete2. Take away all of their possessions "earned" in the US because they were illegal
ReplyDeleteNEVER!!! This would be an absolute disaster. If this were to ever occur and the government were to take away possesions earned from illegal immigrants it would send a high percentage of them straight down the drain. Why would any immigrant want to do anything legal. They would try to live life as undercover and untraceable as possible. Also due to the large amount of these illegals our economy could take a hit becuase most of these immigrants make taxed purchases.
I beleive we should locate them and send them back because others go through the legal process to become US citizens. So i believe they should also go through the legal process to become a citizen. If they had done so before we would not have the illegal immigration problems that we currently have. People need to follow laws that are set in place so others will do so.
ReplyDeletePrincess i agree with you on #2 there is no way all immigrants should be stripped of their possesions. Some work hard for their possesions, although there is that certain percent which make their money dirty or in drugs but it is impossible to be able exclude them. Also the government can not possibly have policies that are strictly based on their judgment of another. Who is to say who does not deserve something and that it should be taken from them? Certaintly not the government. It would be a clear act of of dictatorship or communism.
ReplyDeleteJust for Info, from what I gathered through a little bit of research, the illegal immigrant worker industry is worth about 20 billion dollars a year.
ReplyDeleteThat is enough money to make a dent in our economy!
In response to Rudy
ReplyDeleteI agree that taking a person’s possessions just because they are illegal would not only enhance other countries bad view on us, but also further build their hatred towards us. It is hard to imagine that you would not only be kicked out of a country, but they would also take all of your belongs somethings might hold more of a sentimental value than a cash value that you would not be able to take with you.
Hello class:
ReplyDeleteWell, once again I am pleasantly surprised at how those of you who participated really got involved in a professional manner. This topic a current one and your comments and answers were well delivered.
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3. Repatriate illegals and only allow them to re-apply for residency if they have children or parents here.
ReplyDeleteI think all immigrants should go through the same process not just those married and with kids. In such a serious matter there can not be exceptions. In my opinion exceptions just provoke more problems because then people will fake marriages or just have kids for the sake of the citizenship status.
In response to Lesly
ReplyDeleteIf their parents are illegal immigrants then their children would also be illegal because their parents don’t have birth certificates or visas to legally be here. So when the children are born they too do not have proper documentation to be here. The children would have a chance to become the next president because they aren’t national born citizens anyway so it would be hard for them to become a president or a member of the congress to gain the political swing to even be considered as a running candidate. The American economy is barely surviving with illegal immigrants working hard in the system for below minimum wage. The real problem with the economy is the greedy executives who get hundreds of thousands of dollars that they funnel into their own private accounts.
Flavvio i agree with what you said about Leslies comment. I do not agree with splitting families but I think the familes should decide themselves if they want their children to stay with another relative or somethingif the parents are being deported. Some immigrants go through so much to get here that they would even like the oppurtinity for their children to have a better hope for a future. Like what you said about Elian I know his mother passed but she would have clearly wanted him to stay even if it was without her. That case shows the extreme measures and how much people risk their lives to come to our speacial country.
ReplyDeleteWell i guess im out of here. Goodnight everyone. See you Friday.
ReplyDeleteLuis
ReplyDeleteI do understand your point of view which is to repatriate immigrants with their nimor child as the last resort. I also believe an other viable option is show leniency toward resposible individual who has never break the law except for being raise a country that does not have the opportunity and freedom we have enjoy here.We need to become a better organize nation. We have spent 10 million dollar on a some weapon a peace which we shoot and miss the target. In the meantime, we have people crossing our borders illegally and none has knows to deal with it. I started to believe that it is politic as usual. Do you know we have us company recuiting workers outside the US to come work here? Many of those new recuits escape the field where they were supposed to work. It sounds like organize illegal immigrants to me.
Marques
ReplyDeleteA child born on US soil is American.
Lesly
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, the federal government’s defensive spending tendencies and immigration as you’ve presented are two completely different things. Also, while I can agree the borders are definitely part of the problem, I’ll offer that the main problems are respective State government’s refusing to enforce Federal immigration laws put into place. Look at cities such as San Francisco; they’re nicknamed “Haven Cities” for a reason, and you’re absolutely correct when you assume this is a political issue. State officials don’t want to offend possible voters linked with the illegal immigration issue and we’re stuck with this massive bureaucratic swampland we call the status quo. The companies benefit and take advantage of the situation as well as you have suggested. What we really need to see, is a collective effort by the State governments in these respective states to actually start enforcing Federal immigration laws.